Post by ar. last night.

Re: The nuns/priest have to answer to god for the lost Souls
Posted by AR on August 31, 2007, 9:30 pm, in reply to "Re: The nuns/priest have to answer to god for the lost Souls"

No I dont know baby cakes. Tell me. I dont know. You never quite say. You told us about washing old mens long johns, and working your fingers to the bone in the laundry. You told us you were abused, by whoM the other girls or the nuns. You told us there was some confidentiality clause but I dont quite know why, though its easy to guess. You told us that you were taken forcibly from your mother, though why nuns would go into someone's house and look for the baby and take the baby away from its mother is beyond me. You told us that you were in orphanage till you were quite old. You told us about your wedding and some of the good nuns, and you told us about your darling son dying and your daughter being abused. You told us you love your husband.
Did I leave anything else out?
AR.

Goodnite Ann off to bed for this ancient elderly lady. Gotta take of my wig, and false leg, false arm, and false teeth, false lashes and other bits so it usually takes a long time¡­¡­..Annrose

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How could you say these things to me about my mother, my son and my daughter. My son was killed ar. How could you and you call yourself a catholic, that you maybe one, but a Christian you are not. I can see Jesus Mother Mary looking down at you and saying to you, do you mean the same to me as well. Remember ar, Mary's son Jesus was killed also.

Don't you know yet ar, that what you say to me you say to God. Did you not learn anything at your convent school?...... Ann

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you told us about your darling son dying and
: your daughter being abused........Annrose

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You have hurt me so much with these words alone...Ann

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No I dont know baby cakes. Tell me. I dont
: know. You never quite say. You told us about
: washing old mens long johns, and working
: your fingers to the bone in the laundry.......Annarose

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This is right and we started working from 5years old.....Ann

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You
: told us you were abused, by whoM the other
: girls or the nuns.......Annrose

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I was abused by nuns and the older girls. I was sexual abused by a priest, the nuns and their workers.....Ann

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You told us there was

: some confidentiality clause but I dont quite
: know why, though its easy to guess....... Ar

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The confidentiatiality clause was put into place by the nuns/priest and guess who broke it, they did by telling Herman about it all, as he posted it all on here.......Ann

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You told
: us that you were taken forcibly from your
: mother, though why nuns would go into
: someone's house and look for the baby and
: take the baby away from its mother is beyond
: me...... Annarose

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My mother was 16years old when I was born and like over in Ireland the catholic church took us away and put us in their catholic church orphanages. I was 2 and half months old. My mother forth for me to keep me, but she could not win from the catholic church a lone.....Ann

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You told us that you were in orphanage
: till you were quite old. You told us about
: your wedding and some of the good nuns.......Annarose

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I was 24years old when I left the orphanage and yes there were some good nuns......Ann

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and
: you told us about your darling son dying and
: your daughter being abused. You told us you
: love your husband.......Annarose

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You have not right to use my son against me. Leave me alone. I love my family as well as I can and to use them against me is very EVIL.....Ann

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: Did I leave anything else out?
: Annarose

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Yes you left out that you are not a catholic or a Christian.......Ann

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Dear Ann, I am not playing your game. I am not going on the defensive. An intelligent person with barest amount of education would have understood what I said/wrote to you. So I presume you are stupid, or slow witted or slow something. I dont deal with stupidities.
Cheers cupcake.
Time for more poor woe is me...Annarose

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I am not stupid. ar. I can see through you.

Posted by Ann Free Spirit on September 1, 2007, 9:29 pm, in reply to "Re: ar, Please apologize to me. you have hurt me so bad. My son. How could you." Ann

All the post to me have been unchristian and this was meant to hurt me, that is why you brought up about my son's death, to used against me and to try to get me to leave here. Sorry ar, it will not work. You asked me these questions with malice, to do harm to me, as you have done to me from day one..­. Ann

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Posted by Clare on September 1, 2007, 9:26 pm, in reply to "ar, Please apoloize to me. you have hurt me so bad. My son. How could you."

Dear Ann, You must not let people upset you by the terrible things they say. I know it is hurtful and unkind but you are doing just what they want to do hurting you, so you re giving them satisfaction, just what they want.

Annarose has said some nasty things to me but not nearly as bad as she has to you, I don't get upset or even angry, people like that with their bitterness need pity more than anything else I know it is hard but it can be done and it feels so good when no one can hurt you with his or her words.

You just have to tell yourself that people like that are not important so what they say also is not important. You have to have a lot of self control and determination to control the nasty things people say. I leant this many years ago I just do not and

cannot be hurt by such unimportant people also they are just belittling themselves by being so nasty. Don't you see that? Please take care and try not to give them a thought.­..Clare.

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Hello Clare,

would you please read the post Ann is talking about and then read the part where I mention her "darling son" (said with compassion) and then please tell me where I said anything hurtful.

All I did was list the things about herself that she has posted over the time that I have been here.

There is one thing that I know about Ann she plays the victim well and she is a liar.

Cheers cupcake­..Annarose

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Annarose, I did read the post earlier and there were tones of it I did not like I will have to have a look at it again to point them out.

If I told you of the things that happened to me at the very same place Ann was at you would most definitely call me a liar as well. I have no doubt about that at all.­..Clare.

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Unless you are an idiot Clare and I think not, then read the my post where I spoke about Ann's son and then tell me if I said anything wrong.
Good nite Clare....Annarose

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Annarose,

This is the post below that we are referring to. I just thought the whole post had a distasteful sound to it. Just because you use the word "darling" before son does not make the post sound any better.
This is just my opinion and how I saw it. I suppose everyone sees things differently that's what makes us individuals.­..Clare

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Clare good morning,
Now tell me again, what it was in the bost below whi ch I wrote to Ann which was hateful, hurtful or anything else. She picked up the that I said her "darling son" which I meant, why didnt she pick up on the words I said about her "loving her husband" or "you told us about your wedding" or "you told us yuou were in an orphanage till you were quite old" All I did was itemise things she had told us that I could remember

Then Ann goes into whimpy mode because she has nothing to say.
Go away Clare, go and comfort Ann, in her delusions, it really does help (not).
Have agood Sunday...Annarose

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Clare: I'm sure that AR Chose Her Word Deliberately to Hurt Ann!

Posted by Ann's Friend! on September 2, 2007, 6:11 am, in reply to "Re: Annarose."

The words in Annarose's posts are all similar: chosen deliberately to try to hurt Ann as much as possible.

What our "darling" Annarose doesn't understand is this: "What goes around comes around!"

If she doesn't want to reap what she's sown, she had better repent!

Ann's Friend..­.Jeannie

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Jeannie, It has come around many times but I havent made the Church my scapegoat, or a catholic discussion board, or anyone who doesnt agree with me. It takes a special kind of child to do that. (e.g Ann & yourslf)A child who has learned how to take revenge.
Cheers Oh Oily one...Annarose

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The Holy Body of Jesus Christ

Posted by Ann Free Spirit on September 2, 2007, 7:40 am, in reply to "Re: Annarose."

So ar, you will go to Mass today and receive The Holy Body of Jesus Christ. Go to confession first, no that will not be any good because you will come straight back here to do your unchristian words again. Run along now and talk to God from your Heart...Ann

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Annarose. go up to my first post to you and

Posted by Ann Free Spirit on September 2, 2007, 7:53 am, in reply to "Re: Annarose."

you will see that I did mention my family which are my husband and children. I answered all of your questions to me and I do not have to answer to you ar, so from now on when ever you or your friends post to me, I will not answer to them, becuase they hurt me too much­.. Ann

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you keep all the post which we post here so go have a look

Posted by Ann Free Spirit on September 1, 2007, 7:08 am

Ar you keep all the post which we post here so go have a look and I would be so glad to put it all here for you to take in, because that is why I am here to stay here until the church amits to the abuse and sexual abuse her nuns/priest and their workers did to us. She is a good girl at long last. She is now telling my story. Thank you ar...­. Ann

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Ann sorry to say but....................

Posted by julie on September 1, 2007, 10:18 am, in reply to "Re: Ar. you keep all the post which we post here so go have a look "

you are one of the most self loathing people I have ever come across- get help, and stop your wailing...Julie

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Ann you are a depressed person - get help .

Posted by julie on September 1, 2007, 10:56 am, in reply to "Julie sorry to say but...................."

It's called tough love !!!!!!!!!!!.....Julie

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You call it tough love, well I don't even call it Christian, what you and your friends post to me....Ann

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Created in the image and likeness of God ...

Posted by Veronica on September 1, 2007, 1:04 pm, in reply to "Ann sorry to say but...................."

Julie and AnnaRose

Perhaps your responses might be kinder to Ann if you tried to see her in a different light.

You might be less tempted to harsh criticism of her if you remember this part of the Catechism: 41 All creatures bear a certain resemblance to God, most especially man, created in the image and likeness of God. The manifold perfections of creatures - their truth, their goodness, their beauty all reflect the infinite perfection of God. Consequently we can name God by taking his creatures" perfections as our starting point, "for from the greatness and beauty of created things comes a corresponding perception of their Creator". 15

http://www.catholicculture.org/library/catechism/cat_view.cfm?recnum=349&repos=5&subrepos=8&searchid=55180

..­.Veronica

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Veronica, Neither nor Julie said ann did not bear image and likeness of God. If anything she is the one that has forgotten it. If you remember Jesus after the Ressurrection. Well he was different because of his suffering. We can use the cross that is given us to shine or to cast deep shadows¡­¡­¡­Annarose

Ann, the ancient Old lady with false leg, false arm, false teeth is ME not you. Idiot. Grow up sometime..­..Annarose

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I apoloize to you then ar. NT - Ann Free Spirit Yesterday, 2:09 pm¡­..Ann

¡¡Ar, maybe if you treated me better from the start it could have being different. If only you were Christian enough to be kind and thoughtful and just for once, thought about the person as a Christian as well and as God sees me, you might had posted something with meaningful feelings and not gone all out to punish me as if I was the devil himself.

You see ar, when you have being abused for 24years and waited until 1997 to talk about it in public and then to be re-abused with every post here, I stand up for what I believe is the truth about what happened to us and I get it thrown back in my face as though I am the abuser.

You know ar, I am so use to post like yours and a few others on this catholic discussion board that it does not frighten me one little bit, because now I can see for myself what catholic people are really like outside of the orphanages.

I have had many a good post here from people I have never met and they believe me. That alone helps me to see that one day I will get the help I need. But until the church comes out in the open and admits to us all that it did happen to us. We will not go away..­..Ann

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Don't be a hypocrite any longer it's not working & of course it

Posted by julie on September 1, 2007, 5:56 pm, in reply to "Re: Ann AR is right, we wish you well , that's why we say GET HELP !!! NT"

is Christian, we try to get rid od bitterness, because it effects others-

"So strengthen your drooping hands and your weak knees.Make straight paths for your feet, that what is lame may not be dislocated but healed.
Strive for peace with everyone, and for that holiness without which no one will see the Lord.

See to it that no one be deprived of the grace of God, that no bitter root spring up and cause trouble, through which many may become defiled,"Hebrews 12:12-15...Julie

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You can not stop me from posting here, I have ever right as every one else. Ever thing you and your friend post to me is un-christian it is not tough love as you say it is. Jesus is looking down and He is WEEPING. I stand by my God and His Church­..Ann

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yeah yeah yeah same old same old same old we know your same modus operandi. Email Jeannie and ask her what it means. You stand by your church, in the post several pages back you said,¡±That is why we left the Catholic Church. Ann¡± OH you must have come back in the last 24hours. OK I can go with that...­Annarose

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I left the church, that means I do not go to church, but I did not leave God. NT - Ann Free Spirit, yesterday, 9:34pm...Ann

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AnnaRose It could be your age

Posted by Clare on September 1, 2007, 6:48 pm, in reply to "Re: Thomas, I think that it is unfair of you taking off my post & not ar"

: Annarose for a person your age you don't seem to know what went on during those early years
. Here is some common knowledge of some of what went on.

If a young person gave birth out of wedlock and the girl didn't have a family that could give support to their daughter and baby then the child welfare stepped in and took the baby, ­Yes straight out of the hospital where the baby was born
These babies were put up for adoption and the unlucky ones that were not adopted were either placed in foster homes or orphanages. The babies who had a catholic mother were the ones sent to the catholic orphanages for supposedly loving care.

Ann never said the nuns came to the house and took the baby from her mother.

I don't know if it is your age or what, but you do seem to presume a lot of things. You also seem to tell people they are telling lies if they say anything you disagree

with. I know a lot of people that do this and I can never understand them, as personally I would never just presume someone was lying just because I did not know the facts...Clare

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Hello Clare, Ann babes has told all of us on the b oard that the Nuns took her from her mother, that her mother loved her and noever gave her up. So that must mean that the nuns marched in and took forcibly dear Ann from her mother. Otherwise there would be no reason for Ann being in orphanage.

I am only repeating the story Ann has put out on this board since I have known it (15 mon ths) and some say 5 years.

I know I am ancient, but not stupid and fairly well learned and I know the stories and traps laid. But clare little chicken you can believe the whimpery tale if it please you. Cheers..­.Annarose

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My Mother was RAPED when she was 15years old.

Posted by Ann Free Spirit on September 1, 2007, 9:42 pm, in reply to "Re: AnnaRose It could be your age"

You do not frighten me ar,
Why don't you watch the Madeline Sisters and then you will see for yourself have much harm the catholic church nuns/priest did to families over in Ireland. They did this all around the world. Can't you see the nastiness of you post here?..­.. Ann

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No Ann I am not interested in watching anything, I am interested in how yhour story develops a new episode everytime you tell it. It could make a new hit series for Television. Take time out and write it you could make a fortune.

As for your mother being raped, did I say that or did you volunteer the information. Remember I have kept your post for future reference when you say more blah blah blah...­Annarose

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That is good because I have put your nasty post on me website for all to read and I have told the world that you are a teacher and that you teach children in Australia. Keep going ar. The world is going to know about how catholics still treat the abused men and women who were abused in the catholic church orphanages around the world...­ Ann

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Thats OK Ann I have seen your website and I have a hard copy of all the pages of your old website, where you named names, and photos, and stories about your children, and your sons accident, and your wedding pictures.
I knew there would come a day when it might be needed. rest well... Ann

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Remember I also have a son who is a barrister and when he comes home from O/S in about 3-4 weeks I will show him your post and see what slander and libel might be look like. Good nite Ann sleep well.

Remember Ann I have not asked you for an apology.
Also perhaps the NZ Bishops conference might be interested in a copy of all of your posts. And the Order of Nuns might also like a copy of your posts. Also the Communications Officer for The Catholic Church in Auckland and Christchurch might like a copy of them.

Also perhaps the NZ Bishops conference might be interested in a copy of all of your posts. And the Order of Nuns might also like a copy of your posts. Also the Communications Officer for The Catholic Church in Auckland and Christchurch might like a copy of them.

An apology here by the time I get up might just calm me down­..Annrose

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So we are into BLACKMAIL now ar. I have already given them my websites about my childhood abuse and sexual abuse and they also have my post here as I send mine and yours to them ar, to show them how good a catholic you really are and as well ar, I see that there are only a few catholics here, who think like you do about the men and women the priest/nuns abused and sexual abused when we were children.

I read all the nuns names out at the mediation in 2003 and as I read them out the nuns, the mediator, the nun's two lawyers Sue and Pro. Ball from Australia all ticked the names off as I went through them.

ar. I have told you that I do not write about anything unless I have proof about it and knowing that some of the nuns were still alive at that time, the police and the nuns lawyer went over to Australia to talk to them and they said yes that I was abused by the nuns.

Go ahead ar, say your worst here, because as you write remember that God know your every thought, word, deed and action and he has them all in His Book. God knows even before we know ourselves. You have forgotten quite a lot that you were taught in the convent school..­.. Ann

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Ann I am not interested in what you said, or to whom or when or how. I have never been into blackmail but I will send to the NZ Bishops Conference, and the Orders of Nuns involved, a copy of all the posts I have and they have your name and date on it and I will get my sons (lawyer/barrister) involved. I have a file for him.

Ann when you made a threat about my career, it became serious. Until then it was a disagreement of ideas between two women and other hangers on. I had not held onto bitterness or hurts about you even though many many many a time you and Jeannie and others of your mob attack me and wounding me also.

¡¡Because dear chicken you know nothing about my personal history. However, I will begin to do something about this. Cheers girlfriend, I am off to Mass believe it or not....Annarose

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Sorry ar you do not frighten me. I give you full permission to send them all on and remember to send your ones as well because they are more interesting than mine to them. It will show them how unchristian like you are to the abused and sexual abused women of the nuns/priest that you are and more so, They already know the way I talk because it is just like I post here.

It is your evil post which have got the better of you and now they will see for themselves what a good catholic you are.

People believe us now ar, it has come out in the open and with you and still a few is why it keeps turning up because you will not let the catholic church clean its self by coming forward as we call their names out.

I will keep calling out until that day comes when they say, Yes it did happen and we must make account for it. We did wrong and now we must set it right and help these people who are crying out for help from the mother church and she has just turned away from us all....­. Ann

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What could have happened is the child welfare could have notified the catholic nuns that a catholic single girl had given birth to a baby and could they arrange to take the baby. You don¡¯t know what happened and I don¡¯t know what happened so lets not make our own judgment.

What I do know happened in NZ in those days a lot of single mothers had their babies taken from them at birth, and the birth mother had no say in what happened to their babies and I do know this happened. I believe that happened here in Australia as well. I am surprised that you don¡¯t know this sort of thing happened...­.Clare

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So Clare by your own reasoning, if the Social Welfare notified the nuns and this was the done thing at the time both in Australia/New Zealand and anywhere else, how is it the 4 nuns "took me away from my mother" does that not give the impression that the Nuns marched in and stole the child from its mother?

Sorry Clare, Ann is a sick puppy and she is not helped on this board, in fact this board and internet have been her undoing. The pity is that she is so conniving that she takes others with her. And more pity still is the fact that others like Jeannie, and Michael, and yourself and others encourage and urge her on. In fact she is quite toxic.

And I am going to check out her website and if my career as a teacher has been compromised I will ensure difficult life for Ann...­.Annarose

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Little chicken, get someone intelligent and who can read, at least someone honest, and ask them to read what I wrote to you. In fact I wrote something gentle I said "your darling son" and you have mentioned his death on previous posts and I commisserated with you. And you wrote about your darling son on your website. So what am I apologising for?....Annarose

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You used my son death as a weapon against me.

You used my son death as a weapon against me. By reading all of your post as your wrote it, it is nothing but nasty and with the way you always post to me, I and many here will take it that you meant it as you read it.

I am my son's mother and when I wrote about my son, I wrote it with love, but not you. You wrote it so you could hurt me and that I would leave here. Not yet ar. You are showing your true colours and they are not good..... Ann

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Ann blah blah blah blah..Annarose

My suggestion is that you take time off the board abd go and learn to read and write, that might be useful to you. Have you noticed that your usual mates (on this board) who can actually read the post have not rushed to your defence as they usually do? That could be because they see that I have not said anything negative and you dear chick pea are wrong...­.Annarose

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They will be at Mass, praying for me and you ar. NT..Ann

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Ann: That is probably not AR talking but the spirit of evil, which lives in her heart! Posted by Ann's Friend on September 2, 2007, 5:39 am, in reply to "Re: You used my son death as a wepon against me."4

AR is such a good Catholic! Please note that I didn't call her a Christian! Just a Catholic and probably a typical one at that!....Jeannie

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Re: Didn't Christ mention we ain't suppose to JUDGE but you'd know that Robert.(nt) - pip August 31, 2007, 9:48

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Hi pip , I can't understand you . You say you are Catholic but go against the Catholic Church on some issues to side with the likes of Jeannie and Lorrata - and it's sooo obvious they are "grooming you as they praise you for many of your dissenting views. I really hope you can see this. But probably you'll come back with an attack on me for being a loyal to the Magisterium Catholic. Just think it's a great shame... Julie

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Julie can't help but speak the TRUTH as is shown to me by the mighty Holy Spirit...but

Posted by pip on August 31, 2007, 10:33 am, in reply to "Pip " 

thanks for your concern. Don't be fooled by the niceties of this world concern yourself with the next. God knows your heart, your soul and your mind...love your enemies; be wise as serpents and as gentle as doves...You either follow 'man' or Christ .....don't be afraid to follow Christ with all your courage and determination.

Pax
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What do you mean by this , pip? Of course I follow Christ the

Posted by julie on August 31, 2007, 10:39 am, in reply to "Re: Julie can't help but speak the TRUTH as is shown to me by the mighty Holy Spirit...but"

What a great example of the demonusing the words of Scripture for his own end. Re: Robert know that Jesus loves you¡­ He sais so,¡­. Kisses (nt) - pip yesterday, 5:29 pm...Pip

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Ann: Ignore the Ignorant Comments and Stick Close to Your Friends!

Posted by CSI on August 31, 2007, 6:42 pm, in reply to "Ar, maybe if you treated me better from the start it could have being different. "

Ann: Regrettably there are a couple of people on this board similar to AR.

If they had found you beaten and bleeding on the road to Emmeas, they would have walked right over you and never given you another thought, as they chatted how wonderful the Church and their friends were!

Thankfully, Good Samaritans have come along every now and then, like Barry, Solia, Michael MacManus and Clare, to bind up your wounds and to give you strength and courage to stand up to those who make ignorant, meanand thoughtless comments, because you are demanding justice for the pain which you've experienced at the hands of the Church.

Stand strong Ann. Many people admire the stand which you've taken.

Your friend in Christ!.....Jeannie

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Posted by julie on August 31, 2007, 6:49 pm, in reply to "Re: Ann: Ignore the Ignorant Comments and Stick Close to Your Friends!" 

friends help and not stir up trouble. The good Samaritan didn't go to find the ones that bashed the poor guy up or to find the Levite or priest who left him on the road. He helped him and even paid for his board. to the inn keeper !!!!!!!!!!!­......Julie

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Posted by julie on August 31, 2007, 7:05 pm, in reply to "Re: Ann has Discernment and She Knows Who Her Friends Are. I'll Let Her Decide!"

onto other innocent people. In the end SHE looks bad. Sorry but that's what I have seen thus far LOOK jeannie I DO HEAR what you are saying but there comes a time when reason must prevail over inflicting injustice on the entire Church. 98% of which are also outraged by abuse of any kind. So PLEASE for God's sake, if not anns stop this persecution. You do something about it. My hands are clean I have offered up prayers, sympathy for ann and I do the Christian thing of helping others whenever I can . Please I beg you in the name of Our Lord Jesus Christ stop this...­.. Julie

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Julie: Here's what you CAN Do, if you really are sincere!

Posted by Outside Reporter on September 1, 2007, 12:01 am, in reply to "Jeannie"

I am currently doing a piece on what the Laity can do about the past Sexual Abuse in the Church.

This is just one step!

You can insist that those who perpetrated the abuse against Ann, APOLOGIZE to her!

She has yet to receive an apology from them! They will not even admit that they are wrong. This is an OUTRAGE!

Ann cannot begin to get healed until the Church as well as the individual members of the Order, which sexually, mentally and emotionally abused Ann, are willing to admit their guilt and APOLOGIZE!....Jeannie

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No one can force an apology- especially a sincere one

Posted by julie on September 1, 2007, 9:12 am, in reply to "Re: Julie: Here's what you CAN Do, if you really are sincere!"

and that is what she what's right ? And I guarantee you that WE all DO believe her. but, all the insisting in the world, I'll bet has already been given to those concerned.

Meanwhile for her own spiritual sanity her outrageous behavior ought to stop if she wants to be taken to be sincerely authentic. If it were me would have apologized and made amends. Where others can help I also hope they do, and a DB is OK to air you're case but not by accusing the innocent as being guilty, like when she says The Church, Catholic orphanages, the priests all catholics are put into a basket and that is unreasonable and unjust. ann/jeannie -

I'll say it once again, please I beg you in the name of Our Lord Jesus Christ stop this. And if necessary bear your cross with hope in the life to come....Julie

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Julie you are asking for something that is not available or understood by Jeannie or Ann. It wont happen. This db is used to catholic church bashing by both of them in tandem with cohortt.....Annarose

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Posted by Loretta on September 1, 2007, 7:01 am, in reply to "It just seem like she is inflicting her pain over and over"

So don't open Ann's postings, ignore her if it helps you, and like the Church, turn away from it. It's easy. Then you will not have to SEE the pain!....Loretta

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You ate the one that reopens the wounds- you are a hypocrite!

Posted by julie on September 1, 2007, 10:15 am, in reply to "Re: It just seem like she is inflicting her pain over and over"

Hypocrite is a strong word . I hardly ever use it but when someone insists on judging others in such a way as ann does, with your support, through a DB that is about faith in Christ, then the word does apply.

Yes keep throwing stones at everyone who come to this DB and you will discover that it IS NOT the same as "knock and the door shall be open" correction : You are the one........Julie

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Ann has Discernment and She Knows Who Her Friends Are. I'll Let Her Decide! .... Jeannie

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Posted by AR on August 31, 2007, 7:49 pm, in reply to "Re: Ann has Discernment and She Knows Who Her Friends Are. I'll Let Her Decide!"

Jeannes baby girl, you waffle. If you have been reading her posts like this for at least 5 years and they seem to get worse, then Jeannes you have done anything to alleviate her pain. In fact you exacerbate it.
You are the one that sits there and scratches her scab till it bleeds. And she doesnt know the difference.

Having listened to your rantings against the Catholic Church for only 15 months, (I also accidently happened on it and one of the first posts I read was Ann's) I can also see that she serves your purposes. Your Agenda chicken pie. You can spew forth your own venom against the Church using Ann.

Sorry buttercup, I suspect that I love Ann a hell of a lot more than you do!!! I work for her (and you) in ways you will never know and never understand.
Go to sleep Jeannes. good nite or morning.....Annarose

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CSI said ¨C ¡°Grahame felt that he had all of the answers for Ann, and he felt that he was competent enough to diagnose how Ann should be treated. Later I learned Grahame's background and the backgrounds of a couple of his children from the things which he wrote on the board.

All I could think of was "Physician heal thyself, and thy own family.

LEAVE ANN ALONE!"

Had I not seen how Ann was being abused on this board, I wouldn't have stayed around. So, in a sense I am like the good Samaritan.

Almost all of the sweet Catholics on this board were verbally spitting at her, belittling her and demeaning her! She will attest to this fact! Henry and I were two of but a small handful willing and able to give Ann any comfort. Again, she will attest to this fact. Had you, AR, been around at that time, you would have shouted with the mob, "Crucify Her!!!!" AR: You're nothing but a little jackal,
running with the pack! I guarantee you will get your reward! What....Jeannie

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Course she is Jeannes, course she is. And yes you are right I would walk past the beaten person and not help. This I know. Perhaps its because I also know that there are such compassionate sods like yourself jeanes so my services wouldnt be needed. Com on Jeannes keep massaging Ann, you are a REAL friend indeed. With friends like you Ann can be guraranteed to go to her grave screaming about the injustice. People like you Jeans I wouldnt want anywhere near me you are toxic and its a pity Ann cant see it, ­Jeannie

GF ¨C At first I was inclined to respond defensively. Then I realized that ¡°CSI¡± was just another name for the rabidly Anti-Catholic Jeannie. What CSI has said about my first responses to Ann is completely untrue. But what could we expect from Jeannie except yet more lies?

As for that Henry as he liked to call himself ¨C where on earth is the dear fellow now? Has Doctor Pang now qualified also as a Master of Theology? ....­Grahame

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Grahame, our dear anti catholic friend Jeannie is on the board using various nics. You have to be alert to her. she does this as she has said to bypass the board administrator. Jeannie simply lies. And what is more troubling is that she has convinced Ann that she (Jeannie) is her friend and wants good for her and because she massages Ann, Ann accepts what this rabidly wicked woman says to her.

Personally I cant be bothered much these days, I have too many things to do. Ann will continue to screech, Jeannie will continue to screetch, and perhaps one day they will both screetch together.
Cheers.....Annarose

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If Herman can get a BS in Theology then henry should be able to get a Masters!

Posted by Rovin' Reporter on September 1, 2007, 5:46 pm, in reply to "Unmasking "CSI""
At least henry's ideas are amusing.

Grahame:

I wasn't around for your "First" response to Ann, and I wasn't writing about your "First" response! I was addressing the responses that she was receiving from you and others WHEN I came to the board, which was long after the board was up and running!

You, my dear are in no position to point any fingers! We all know the real Grahame behind all of the Teilhard monitum crap!.....Jeannie

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Ann: Because you are a child of God, you are IN Christ. Ignore those who are not! He is your..

Posted by Ann's Friend on September 2, 2007, 5:42 am, in reply to "Re: Ann: Ignore the Ignorant Comments and Stick Close to Your Friends!"

Ann:

Daily say, "God is my strength and salvation. Those wh trust in Him will NOT be ashamed!" Continue in His Love! Your friend!¡­..Jeannie

Ann and I are "More than Conquerors in Christ!" Our battle is already won! You're just a priest.. Jeannie 

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Posted by AR on August 30, 2007, 6:26 pm, in reply to "Re: Ann and I are "More than Conquerors in Christ!" Our battle is already won! You're just a priest"

Jeannie if Christ acts like you, then I worship another Christ. If you are "conquerers in Christ" the question must be asked which christ have you invited into your being. It sounds to me like the false christ. St Paul, St John, actually spoke about the false christs which will come. So I understand your posts better.
Cheers.....Annarose

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Anatomy of violence towards children.

Posted by rayner on September 1, 2007, 11:45 am

Please do not consider this post as stirring or being anti Catholic. The purpose is just to know the human condition better in the context of religious life.
We all are familiar with the message of "Suffer the little ones to come to me" - "Sinite parvulos ad me venire, quia eorum est regnun coelorum".

But what has happened?
When I was in North Brabant last July, I met some people who were educated by nuns in the fifties. It is really strange to hear, that from anywhere in the world, from Australia, through the former Netherlands East Indies, to the Netherlands, the culture of violations of little children by institutions under the auspices of the Catholic Church is the same and universally practised.

We know, that children have been abused everywhere on the planet, but that that kind of evil culture was enculturated into the very institutions who are entrusted to care for them, is just "mysterious", to say the least.

What could the reasons be for such "enculturation"? knowing that the Lord himself was totally opposed to this culture?....­Rayner

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No Rayner I dont see this as Catholic Church bashing.... Posted by AR on September 1, 2007, 11:59 am, in reply to "Anatomy of violence towards children."

it is stoking fires. You hypocrite.
AR.
Ps of course you are looking for a psychological/spiritual discussion on all manner of child abuse aren't you Rayner? All this on a db which is running hot with the posts of AFS/Michael McManus and Jeannie. Yeah pull the other one is has bells on...Annarose

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No AR, I dont see this as stirring

Posted by rayner on September 1, 2007, 12:15 pm, in reply to "No Rayner I dont see this as Catholic Church bashing...." 

Thank you AR for taking the time to respond to the issue that I brought on, though unsuccessly in my view.

I posted this as an attempt to highlight my question: how could it happen that an organised church whose stated mission is to care for their charges did not see the huge irony of doing the opposite? I suppose you like things to stay un-transparent? ....Rayner

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Of course I do Rayner. Didnt you know it?
Shucks I am soooooo transparent arent I.
AR.

Ps you wont get a sane discussion on this topic on this board because its been "done to death" and no questions or answers are sought just catholic church bashing. I guess its the moment of the bride suffering. Her groom has been through it now its the time of the bride.

And its interesting also Rayner that you also see as the offending edifice (church) as the huge problem but you dont see the bigger offending edifice, sexual abuse within family as a bigger problem., You see no one wants to go there and there is no money or "cash cow" or gold there and its politically incorrect and therefore remains taboo.

There was a police report in recent memory (I dont remember time (in the last several years) where they spoke to the media about the endemic problem of sexual abuse within communities and family. Most street children are there because its safer there than being at home.

So Rayner until the whole problem of sexual abuse is attended to I am not interested and will try and stop further discussion on clerical abuse. Sexual abuse deeply wounds children because they are unable to process such information and activity . They do not understand it and it is painful for them. By the time that they are able to process what it means it is too late, trust has gone, childhood has gone, happiness has gone, family trust and love has gone, sense of security in a family has gone, sense of identy has gone, sense of knowing that there is a place of total security (family) is gone, trust in a God who loves them is gone, and this then underpins the rest of life decisions and activities.

Now, I firmly, completely, totally, utterly believe that total healing is possible. Not forgetting but healing, however, there has to be a desire for that to happen. Where revenge is the first priority nothing but nothing but nothing will happen. Indeed what will happen is further degeneration and rewounding.

As far as your idiotic question about the church offending where it should be protecting, well ITS NOT THE CHURCH, it is a sinful member of that family of the church. Just like not all members of a family sexually abuse their children just a particular member. That does not mean that the whole family is to blame. And there are family where others are aware of the goings on and do nothing just like there are members of the church who should have known better and didnt.
Cheers sport.....­.Annarose

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I was not referring to sexual abuse, AR! (Probably it is a component of it) I was just referring to a culture that has been allowed to develop within an institution (not just an orphanage), in schools where children are caned, their hair is jerked around, those things. And I am not wishing to go down the road again, I just want to know HOW such a culture has been admitted into a loving community if you see my drift.....Rayner

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Rayner,What on earth are you talking about? Are you trying to make out that the Catholic Church is one big child abuse factory? I went to convents and Christian Brothers schools and never saw or heard of any abuse whatsoever. My mother and father and both sets of grandparents went to convents and schools run by priests and they had no problems either and that goes back to the 1890's!!  Trent

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I just want to know how such behaviour (my wife is terrified by nuns, my daughter¡¯s mother in law was yanked by nuns, I myself was pushed around by a brother) has been allowed as a legitmate culture, that's all. You all don't need to be ¡°defensive¡±, my friends! I am not investigating criminal actvities!.... Rayner

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Course your not Rayner You little innocent you¡­¡­Annarose

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Posted by Ann Free Spirit on September 1, 2007, 2:16 pm, in reply to "Re: Rayner

I am sorry to hear about your family Rayner. Ann 

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 Re: No AR, I dont see this as stirring"
I can relate to your wife being scared of the nuns because it is like that for me as well¡­¡­..Ann

Rayner you are believed....Clare

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Rayner

I am sorry that some of your family experienced abuse like hundreds of others during those years.

You are probably aware that there are people on this DB that will try and crucify anyone that say they were ever abused by anyone in the Catholic Church. You become an instant liar the moment you say you or someone you know were abused.

Just remember you know and God knows you are telling the truth¡­. Does it matter that anyone else believes I have learnt that those sorts of people to me are so unimportant. Take Care....­Clare

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Anatomy of violence towards children.

Posted by rayner on September 1, 2007, 1:56 pm, in reply to "Anatomy of violence towards children."

Did it all start with the testosterone?
How come barbaric acts are so prevalent?

Have we evolved, or just evolved in reverse?

Are we smarter than our ancestors?.....Rayner

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